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My monthly update, random stuff 06-29-08 10:43pm EST
I'm now half way through the didactic (class) part of my school. I go to clinicals in Sept. for 6 months. Had 4 tests last week and one this week, but this is a short week due to the holiday. I'll be heading to Tampa on Thurs., coming back Sunday.

My girlfriend came to visit recently. She asked me to take her out somewhere expensive. So I took her to the gas station. That's a joke, btw.

What's with all the natural disasters over the past few years? Hurricane Katrina, the tsunami in Sri Lanka or whatever, monsoon hit somewhere recently, cyclone in Myanmar, earth quakes in Japan and China, the flooding of the midwest, tornadoes everywhere, forest fires in CA, NC, AZ, and FL. This is esp. bad now that the price of produce is going up.

With the prices of gas and food going up, the stock market crashing, the housing marketing plummeting, do you think it is all, or even partly the result of 9/11? I went to visit Ground Zero a few years ago. I remember someone saying that NYC (which in turn is the U.S., and then the world) loses so many billions of dollars a day because of the buildings that fell, b/c the companies lost all business there, the business HQ of the world.

I'm looking forward to some new movies coming out this year or next...The Dark Knight, Jurassic Park 4, Shrek 4, G.I. Joe, The Mummy 3, the next X-men movie (Wolverine, I believe). And I heard this morning that there are plans in the making for a prequel and a sequel to the movie 300.

That is all.
Carry on.
butterfly_8i8:) haha 
godswarrior32803Have you visited the Harpersville Church of Christ? 
mjintexasI like the joke. :D 
southerncowgirlThey are coming out with a Jurassic Park 4?? How come I haven't heard about it? Glad everything is going great with you. 
southerncowgirlAs for the natural disasters, God is trying to wake a bunch of people up. Are they listening....who knows. 
godswarrior32803Yea, Josh worships with the Chester church of Christ. He lives a few miles from me. We have several members that go down to Harpersville to preach for the saints there, including one of our deacons. I was speaking to him and he stated that the church there could use somone that has been a Christian longer than a couple of years to help them get through some rough spots. If you are up to the challenge, the saints could realy use you. 
nonniiamRandom and colorful, very good. It is a little scary if you let yourself think to much about all the things that are happening around the world. A very good reason to always be ready for the day the Lord comes. You and she make a handsome couple. Maybe one day we can all meet. Good luck with your school. 
butterfly_8i8^^^^ How sweet...thank you! :) 
arsenalIf CinC Obama pulls out of Iraq and the Dems put the kabash on surveillance, intelligence gathering and Israel bombs Iran our natural disasters will be the least or our concerns. 
navydocGood point
it_doesnt_matterYeah I did want out because otherwise I would have spent the rest of my contract as a leave clerk at PSD.... so atleast now I can go back to college. 
it_doesnt_matterbtw, if leave clerk was the job that I was supposed to do it would be different but since I enlisted to be a reactor operator and could no longer do that... I decided to just move on with my life. 
cellophanewhat, don't you like X-Files!??! That's the movie I'm looking forward to this summer!! 
navydocOh yeah, forgot about that one. Also heard there's going to be a Transformers 2. 
sponjenYour joke was funny...and so true:) 
butterfly_8i8thanks :) 
borhey mike those do seem like cool movies 
butterfly_8i8that video was funny. glad it made you think of me ;) lol i should pass it on to my family. they would be impressed by it. lol lol 
butterfly_8i8and hope you have a wonderful day too! good luck on your presentation. you will do great! 
lisakayeCould you give me your email address. Josh would like to email you. Thanks. 
sureshot79All I use is military time. I guess it goes with being medical. You should watch gone with the wind. It's good. 
butterfly_8i8I like your idea better! :) 
navydocAdding a few more movies to the list...A-Team, Terminator 4, Star Wars: The Clone Wars (computer animated), Saw V, Max Payne, Righteous Kill (next blockbuster movie starring Al Pacino and Robert de Niro), Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. 
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Democrats 05-29-08 07:08am EST
Here are some interesting things I found about Democrats, and a joke at the end. And I'm sure I'll take some heat about it, but I don't care.

22 WAYS TO BE A GOOD DEMOCRAT

1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on
demand.

2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and
governments create prosperity.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans
are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the
hands of Chinese and North Korean communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
documented cyclical changes in the earth's climate and more affected by
soccer moms driving SUV's.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being
homosexual is natural.

7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of
federal funding.

8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach fourth
graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about
sex.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but
activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than
actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own
money to make 'The Passion of the Christ' for financial gain only.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports
certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too
high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are
more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas
Edison, and A.G. Bell.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides are not.

16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very
nice person.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in
charge.

18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in
jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and
manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democrat Party funding by the
Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest to the United
States .

21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right
wing conspiracy.

22. You have to believe that it's okay to give Federal workers the day
off on Christmas Day but it's not okay to say 'Merry Christmas.'




Our Social Security

Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social
Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be
Completely voluntary,

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program.

3.) That the money the participants elected to put
into the Program would be deductible from
their income for tax purposes each year,

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program.

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are
now receiving a Social Security check every month --
and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of
the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put
away' -- you may be interested in the following:
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------


Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the
general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.


Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.


Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, wit h Al Gore casting the 'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US


Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving
annuity payments to immigrants?

A: Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to the even though they never paid a dime into it!


Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats
turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!

If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve. Maybe not, some Democrats are awfully sure to keep it 'as is'



The Lie Clock


A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, "What are all those clocks?"

St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move."

"Oh," said the man, "Whose clock is that?"

"That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie."

"Incredible," said the man. "And whose clock is that one?"

St. Peter responded, "That's Abraham Lincoln's clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Abe told only two lies in his entire life."

"Where's Hillary Clinton's clock?" asked the man.

"Hillary's clock is in Jesus' office. He's using it as a ceiling fan ."


That is all.
Carry on.

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jdiemanAnother informative post. Good one. 
butterfly_8i8Good stuff :) 
arsenalAnother. You have to believe that even thougn the majority of blacks that are mudered are killed by other blacks, the cause is white racism. 
navydocYes, good one, thank you. 
twoA lot of that stuff is good -- a couple I don't really agree with, but you probably don't either. #16 is interesting, though -- they have now turned on Hillary! 
create_a_wayFLETCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have no idea how true those 22 points are! I grew up a hard core liberal democrat. In high school, I actually used to tell people, "Communism really is the best way to go...as long as it's run right." (just like your point 17) It wasn't until I grew a brain did I have the courage to ask myself, "WHO is capable of 'running it right?'" I have three things I want to say to you. 1) If anyone doubts that your 22 points are accurate, let me assure you--I used to beleive almost every one of them 
create_a_wayI justified abortion (in my PRE-Christian days) and condemned the death penalty. I mean, all I really have to say is that I believed all of them. (except for 20...I knew nothing of Chinese support for the clintons at the time...and 18. However, I would have worded 18 differently but in essence i would end up saying the same thing...)... 
create_a_way2) I also can attest that many other liberals believe them too. and 3) I think I had a little bit of liberal left in me(that I didn't know was there), because I feel like your post just squeezed the last bit out of me. This is one of the most powerful things I have EVER read to explain in easy to understand ways, the difference between my beliefs now, and when I was younger. WOW!!!! 
create_a_wayAlso, if that stuff about SS is true, that's pretty stinky. 
big_timmy_syou said you had a blast? No pun intended right? haha 
mjintexasSo enjoyed this. 
nonniiamIt's a little scary when you see it written out like that and very sad when you know that it's true. 
chaderboxi like the joke, that ones good 
big_timmy_swow You have some impressive pictures! 
megThose first two lists are something I want to pass on! 
the_earlysto answer your question, we will be leaving the 13th. 
southerncowgirlHave you heard about the Pocosin LNWR fire? Right now we are surrounded by smoke from it. Our house reeks of smoke. :-/ 
sponjenI saw on the news where gas was only 2.10 in mexico. So while people from Canada are coming here for gas, some of us are going to Mexico to get it! I wonder why it's so cheap there? 
butterfly_8i8That was funny. :) Remind me to carry cash on my next flight. lol 
borthat's the kind of information I find . . . informative 
borprobably 
wardSorry... not in that group, and it doesn't let me see the posts without being a member. E-mail it to me? 
smokewagon10 more paychecks to go. 
trishieVery Interesting post! I love it. 
patpennHey Fletch, whats going on? Its good to hear from ya. I don't get on this pleo thing a whole lot so sorry it took me a while to get back to ya. 
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Alternative life 04-29-08 09:58am EST
First off I would like to thank everyone who commented on my previous post, I appreciate the thoughts expressed.

Are you content with your job?
Are you doing what you wanted to?
If not, what else would you like to be? What's your dream job?

Here's a list of the top 10 things I would like have been, if I wasn't doing what I do now:

1. Navy SEAL
2. CIA agent
3. Pro football player
4. NSA
5. U.S. Marshall
6. FBI
7. Computer programmer
8. Bounty hunter
9. EOD (bomb squad)
10. Architectural engineer

That is all.
Carry on.
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nonniiamI think I would like to have been an Interior Designer. I would love to learn how to build furniture. 
slave_of_jesus_jdbHey, thanks ;) 
arsenalI have to admit that law enforcement provided me with a good living and a good retirement. However, I always had a desire to be a truck driver. 
navydocReally? I've never heard anyone say they wanted to be a truck driver. 
skinnsI like your color choices 
it_doesnt_matterHe is an IT working in a CTN position. Some cyber defense thing I think. 
arsenalIt is sort of related to why I spent 29 of my 30 years in law enforcement as a road dog. There is something about the freedom of the street that kept me there. 
butterfly_8i8yeah, I’d pay good money to see you run from a bull. lol jk I guarantee I’d out run you in that situation. 
fantabularI read your 11/30/07 post. So do you wanna do some bartering?
ps-good idea about the pizza & a movie, I'm in! 
cellophaneEOD...wow. If I had the talent, I'd love to have been either a professional singer/actress on Broadway or had a successful recording career. I've also been interested in statistics and polls, so maybe working with the Gallup Poll would be cool. However, I am SO done with school, so both of those options are probably out of reach. Fortunately, I like my current job. Not stressful, and I love the people I work with. 
butterfly_8i8Thank you! Glad you think so ;) And guess what...we are down to 11!!!!! Yay!!!! 
fantabularHere's the link to the freecycle group. Maybe you can find a washer/dryer there:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nn-va-freecycle/ 
butterfly_8i8By the time you read this it will be 10!!! lol Ok, I promise I'm not going to count down every day on here. :) Have a great day!!! 
ncsuz409Experience a good day at school...continue to do well with your studying & tests! Well to put it simply, have a good one!! 
butterfly_8i8Nine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, I just can't contain my excitement. ;) 
southerncowgirlLOL Yeah, it's the new Ipod Touch and it's totally awesome! They did only have an 8gig and 16gig but they just came out with a 36gig. How did you get jipped? 
sureshot79I have had it the other way, too! Neither one I would want to do again. 
erica03Blah...she is so NOT! 
kammyarmSorry this is long overdue. Good to hear from you. How are things? Chris says hello too. 
boryeah I only watched the penalty kicks; I know what you mean in your previous post, to me it is a matter of how one defines goodness 
joehehe thx :) 
fantabularLOL!! THAT'S THE SAME SIZE AS ME RIGHT NOW!! I told Cindy, part of my motivation is to look better, but the other part is so that I can fit into all my size 32 pants again. It's either that, or buy a bunch of 34/36, which seems to be the more expensive route =( 
butterfly_8i8I wish you had summers off too :) And with all the studying you have to do, you deserve a break. 
big_timmy_sAt one point I thought EOD would be good and then I saw the physical requirements for it in the navy and that was the end of that thought. So how much more do you have left with navy life? 
sponjenOK I looked up a camel spider and that is the GROSSEST thing I've ever seen!! I can't beleive that you guys actually see those things. 
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Liberal vs. Conservative 04-15-08 10:42am EST
I have recently been visiting other CoC congregations, and have noticed some obvious differences. I tend to compare and contrast churches I've been to to the one I grew up in. I've come to realize the one I grew up in was very conservative.

The one I had been going to in NC did a few things differently, such as a youth group, clapping when someone gets baptized or has a baby, and singing 'happy birthday' to someone after worship has concluded.

I recently posted a blog about my experience at an all black congregation and how they did things, you can scroll down to read it if you would like. Then I went to one a couple weeks ago whom I was told was liberal, but I wanted to check it out for myself, because I want to know exactly what goes on there.

Here was my experience: I come inside for worship, and everyone is on a 'social hour' for coffee and donuts. After we are seated they start worship with a video on the big screen about the separate entities of worship (I assume this is mainly for the visitors). Then we start singing and I noticed a few people were raising their hands in the air and waving them, including the preacher. There were about 4 or 5 people within the front 2 rows on one side who also had mic's besides the song leader. And normally when the song leader leads a song in which there is an all female part, he will sing along with them. So I found it awkward when a song started with an all female part, only by women, being led by 3 women sitting on the front row.

During communion he invited people to talk to each other and tell how they feel God has blessed them. And after the final song before the sermon, when the kids were excused to their Bible class, aka playtime, he invited everyone to get up and walk around to meet and greet everybody for about 10 minutes.

The sermon was basically just a Bible study series, as we were in John 5 I believe, so it wasn't really a sermon. And he would ask for people to answer questions and participate in the sermon. Oh yeah and he started the sermon with the scripture reading, asking someone in the audience to read the scripture from his seat.

After it was over, a former elder, who was visiting, came up to give the 'Sheperd's blessing'. He gave a small talk and said he blesses everyone there and read a prayer from the Bible that goes something along the lines of 'May God be with you and keep you...'
After he said his own prayer and everyone was dismissed, I stayed to talk to the preacher and explained to him how I felt, that I wasn't used to everything I had experienced there. I told him I'm from a more conservative church of Christ, aka, the Anti-CoC. (anti-clapping, anti-socializing during worship, anti-women leading worship, etc.) I asked him if his church was liberal. He hesitated for a few seconds then responded by saying he thinks is church is the 'progressive' Church of Christ.

Ok, so now here is my question (playing the devil's advocate--no pun intended): Who or what says what they do is wrong? Who are we to judge them as not being the 'right' Church of Christ? Is there specifically some set of standards we must follow in our worship, or do we do it only because that's how we were taught, and therefore anyone else who deviates from it is wrong? We group the liberal CoC (and progressive) with people of other religions like the Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, etc. I once mentioned I might visit a certain church of Christ in Nashville, but was told 'Oh don't go to that one, they are liberal.' Like I was being told not to go to a Catholic mass and was forsaking the assembly. How does one justify that we as conservative members can condemn one variation of our own religion or another religion completely because they do things differently, even if they live completely righteous lives. How can we tell someone who is a devout Baptist, who goes to church every time the door is open, reads their Bible everyday, doesn't smoke, drink, or cuss, that they are going to hell if they don't convert to the Church of Christ? I've had a few friends I've talked to and got them to start coming to church, but found it hard to explain what they were doing was not right, no matter how religious they felt they were.

What are your thoughts?


That is all.
Carry on.
navydocSo if someone who was baptized in another religion, that baptism equates to ours as well, and won't need to be re-baptized when they become a member of the church of Christ? 
amyjane72if they are baptized for the remission of their sins, then they have followed God's Word. when people are baptized (immersion) for the forgiveness of their sins, they aren't baptized into the church of Christ, they are baptized into the Lord's church.

what you will find for a majority of other churches though is they baptize as an outward sign of an inward grace. the believe once they ask Jesus into their hearts then they are saved. the baptism is just an act of showing everyone they are saved. whereas we learn from the NT that "baptism is what saves us". in that case, they are not being baptized for the remission of their sins. they have just gotten wet. 
tacticalpreacherMike, I don't do deep bible discussions on-line much anymore, but I will add a few thoughts here.

1. I applaud your willingness to check things out for yourself, I do that same thing.
2. I try to aviod labels that generalize and focus on the specifics that I believe do not match the bible.
3. in the case above, I would focus first on the "why" and the "what" of that groups actions. i.e. "Why" do they do it that way, and then is "what" they are doing up to the bibles expectations.

as for your second question "How can we tell someone who is a devout Baptist, who goes to church every time the door is open, reads their Bible everyday, doesn't smoke, drink, or cuss, that they are going to hell"

I don't I ask them did they die with Christ, like he wants them to, then let him add them to his church.

I try to avoid falling prey to using unintended denominational jargon when talking about the church of our Lord. 
arsenalI believe in congregational autonomy. I would not feel comfortable in such a service but as that is not my congregation I will allow God to judge. Only He knows the hearts hearts of those brethren. I do attend what is considered a "liberal" congregation but it is not that "liberal". Personally, having been in both the liberal and conservative wings--35 years in the latter--I do not believe all conservatives are right nor all liberals wrong. 
nonniiamI think the most important thing to consider is what does the Bible say? We need to be very careful about doing things that we think would please God as opposed to the what God has comanded us to do. When you start adding things like mics for the women to lead their part in a song, what would be the differance in them getting up and leading singing? It's kinda like "How close to the fire can we get without getting burned"? I do think we should be very careful making judgements about others choices, but if we can see that they are doing or teaching something in direct contridiction to something the Bible teaches, then we must be bold enough to say they are wrong but also able to prove by scripture why. 
navydocSo if someone who is 'saved' through another faith, then why bother trying to convert them if they are going to heaven anyway? 
godswarrior32803If you want to talk to me via email to discuss these things I would be more than happy to. But, I like the tactical preacher above no longer discuss religious matters via webblog. 
arsenalIt seems that some brethren want to sit in the judgment seat and determine who enters heaven and who doesn't. I have a obligation to preach the Gospel. What happens to a person after death is God's decision. My concern is that I do not make salvation more complicated than God did. He knows His flock. 
truthmeOK-
(one sec while I stretch my lips so I can RAM my whole foot in)
I personally could not worship at the church you described. It would not allow me to focus on worship. Maybe if I attended there for a while, I would get used to it however.
Unscriptural??? let me see:
Here are my concerns-
#1- who is paying for the coffee and donuts- and why? What is the focus of the funds used in this church?
#2- all of the talking during Lord's Supper... was it "decent and in order" or a distracting mess?
The rest???
I see no SCRIPTURE to give command for or against the raising of hands, the quality of sermon, the format of sermon (letting people talk/ask questions),or letting the women lead the women in their verses.

Another big concern is they seem to be on the "far end" of MANY issues.. I'd be asking why they do what they do, and how they view the authority of the scriptures... (it is hard to look at these things properly based on comments on a weblog)

When you ask the difference between this and a baptist group- the biggest difference is in the plan of salvation.
If you do not follow God's plan of salvation (baptists overwhelmingly do not) it makes no difference how "right" you are in any other area.

On the other hand- yes, if someone genuinely did follow God's plan of slavation.... if God considers them saved, I try to do my best not to argue with God. He always wins that argument. 
jimmybuckI try to avoid these discussions also, especially in the groups. However, I'm drawn in. First, no one is converted to the "Church of Christ" as if they are converted to one among several denominations. I have a friend who refers to "Church of Christ Christians" every now and then (and she is a Christian). I become a bit unnerved when I hear that because I really do not want to be a member of a manmade religion. Having said that, having the name "Church of Christ" on the sign does not a Church of Christ make. 
jimmybuckNow, as far as the Baptists and Catholics, these are generally not saved. Baptists baptize for a reason other than remission of sins, and Catholics teach baptism without faith (infant baptism). We find no examples of either in the NT. These individuals are not Christians. 
southerncowgirlVery interesting discussion. I'll have to keep coming back to see the replies. Only thing I know is, you can call yourself what you will, it don't make no differents and still, one Spirit, one Body, one Church, one Faith, one Lord. 
nonniiam^^^^^HEAR,HEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
liberalNothing wrong with being called liberal - think about it. 
esepepemike still stiring up trouble. i do believe in local church automy meaning one church can't tell another church how to run itself. I do have some problems with your discription of where you attended social hour??? Do you know have home to eat and drink 1 Corthians 11. 
esepepeNames do matter. Can person be both a liberal and Conservative yes it depends which spectrum you are looking from. Many of the one congreation see multicup users as Liberals. Now on the this church would see as conservites because we don't have youth pastor. 
esepepeWhere I find a Church unscription. When can show by scripture that something is worng and don't change. What God has cleans dont' call common. acts 8. But what he has not scantified is still drity. 
esepepeMy last comment trying to convert someone away from another religon. Is simple if you find your brother in sin and bring to the truth you cover a muiltude of sins. 
sarcasticteejFletch, one thing to consider. It does not matter what the name is on the sign in front of the building. Telling someone that they must attend a church of Christ is not correct. You want to worship with a group that adheres to the Bible. 
sarcasticteejI would suggest you study the history of the church. Plain and simple, read the Bible and follow what it says, not what people tell you. Most of all, pray about it. Love you brother and am here for you. 
it_doesnt_matterMy bro just got orders to little creek, VA. How have things been going? 
ncsuz409Hope you're having a good day! 
dawnmk23Glad you're okay. 
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Reporting from VA 04-01-08 08:58am EST
I got all moved to Newport News, VA.
I'm attending X-ray tech school in Portsmouth, at the Naval School of Health Sciences.
We're going over some math now, stuff I haven't had since my freshman year at FC 10 years ago.
I went on leave for a couple weeks before starting school, going to IN and FL.
I played the license plate game on my way back from FL to VA, found 43 states and 4 Canadian provinces and one that said 'Consul', which I'm assuming is a special gov't plate.

I got engaged over the weekend. Big day hasn't been set yet.

I've not had very good luck getting adjusted to my new life here in VA. My first night here I had no heat (this was the first week of March), b/c I didn't know how to work the gas fireplace. The 3rd night was a thunderstorm and the power went out. Last Friday I woke up at 0611, when I should be on the road to school by 0545, so I was 15 minutes late for school.
Saturday I took my car in for an oil change. They said it would be awhile so I left it there and went walking around. When I came back, the mechanic showed me a list of things that needed to be done, totaling almost $1700. Of course my warranty expired last fall. Then after getting most of those problems fixed, I went to the carwash to wash and vacuum it.
After vacuuming, I accidentally locked my keys in the car.
So I walked back to the house, about an hour walk, to get my spare key, but the house was locked and of course the house key is locked inside my car. There wasn't any way to jimmy a window out, and I contemplated breaking a window, but decided against it. So I walked back to the carwash where I met a retired sailor who is also from IN. He called AAA for me and waited with me. I didn't leave there till about 2130.

Please say hello to my good friend Amber who is new to pleo. She's from the great state of TX.

That is all.
Carry on.


Oh by the way...about me getting engaged....April Fools!
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mjintexasHooray for a successful move!
Boo for locking keys in the car! :( 
erica03You had me fooled! 
mel_odyHa ha! You almost got me because I had to scroll down to see the 'ps'. Sorry about all your unlucky troubles lately! Hope things lighten up for you. 
tacticalpreacherHa, engaged!

Funny 
mjintexasHmmm... I haven't heard of Lockheart... 
mjintexasor Lockhart. :) 
jdiemanSounds like you had a fun week. 
mtnhollerlong day 
cbairdBTW- we still need to make spare keys to the house for the VERY reason you described. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you can't work the heat or A/C again... please let us know. ;o) 
godswarrior32803So, when are you gonna make the trip up here? 
butterfly_8i8You're too funny. ;) 
nonniiamSounds like Murphy's law had it's way with you. Hope all is well now. 
godswarrior32803Where are you worshipping down there? Some of our members were in the area this past week. 
godswarrior32803I think the preachers name is Antwan (sp?). He was formerly a member here as well. 
godswarrior32803He preaches at a small congregation in Virginia Beach. (I think) and yes he is. 
baizalI know the congregation he is talking about. My parents go there and my dad swaps out with Antwan preaching. 
smokewagonI just spent the last month and a half in Williamsburg and Norfolk. Now I'm in the land of sand. 
baizalIts Virginia Beach CoC. Here is where the building they meet at is located. 
borthat's the best april fools ever 
buddabignbaldthanks, man. 
smokewagondoing good so far. How close are you to the Yorktown base? 
butterfly_8i8So it's another long day of sitting at home with Camryn who is running a fever but somehow manages to bounce off the walls all day long. Between her and the bees, I'm getting dizzy. 
esepepewhat up bro i'll make sure to update soon 
naturesenseiBeware of Edam! 
butterfly_8i82:00 am. Can't sleep. Online. lol 
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