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Pilfered from Drudge 11-19-08 03:27pm EST
Tuesday, the "Big Three" american auto-makers came before congress to say that they needed a bail out. They weren't going to be able to make it on their own and they would have to close down hundreds of plants if they didn't receive the aid. This is, of course, after they took their companies' private jets to DC and stayed in their company-paid-for five-star hotel for the week. Yeah, these guys seem to know what they are doing.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081118/D94HLE300.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/WallStreet/story?id=6285739&page=1

And, just for the fun of it!

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vampyric_ky_girlThe world annoys me. 
amy_szaboI'm thinking of going to congress to get a bail out of my own! 
sarahpetI know you love me. 
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Stirring Up The Hornets' Nest: Reasons to Discuss the Instrumental Music Debate 11-15-08 02:37pm EST
Growing up, I never liked hornets. I tolerated bees because once they stung you, they couldn’t sting you again. However, hornets could (and would) sting you over and over again. They would even call their buddies over to help them sting you. In light of that insight into my life, it may seem a little contradictory to my nature, but I am about the stir up the proverbial hornets’ nest. I want to talk about the instrumental music debate.

One might ask why I would want to approach and discuss this topic. It is not merely a trifle or because I like to stir up trouble. I assure you that there are a number of different reasons for doing this.

1) It is discussed in the Bible. The Bible is God’s inspired word (2Timothy 3:16-17). All of what we have in our Bibles are “God-breathed” for us to know what is “profitable for doctrine, reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” This includes all of the Old Testament and New Testament. Now, we understand that we are no longer under the Old Law because Jesus fulfilled the Old Law and died to establish His New Law (Hebrews 7-10). Although the Old Law (“The Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms” as per Jesus in Luke 24:44) holds no authority, it is still important for us to examine because of what is said in Galatians 3:24, “Therefore, the law (of Moses) was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.” It is important for us to study the Old Testament to see the “shadow” to better understand the substance which is Christ (Colossians 2:17; Hebrews 8:5, 10:1). With that said, the issue of musical worship is something that is discussed throughout the entire Bible and, therefore, it is a topic we need to examine so we can know how to worship God in a pleasing manner.

2) How we approach God in worship is important. There are a few things that are important to note with this point. First, this is an issue of worship to God. In one aspect, everything we do should be in worship to God (Romans 12:1). However, what we are discussing is the proper way to worship God when His saints assemble for the purpose of worshipping Him collectively. When one examines the New Testament, he or she sees Christians commanded to assemble together (Hebrews 10:23-29) and the many examples of Christians assembling together (Acts 2:42, 4:31, 14:27, 15:30). When one examines why they came together, he or she sees they worshipped God in their assembly. They did this by studying God’s word (Acts 2:42, 15:30, 17:11), encouraging each other to do what was good to do (Acts 2:42; Hebrews 10:24-25), taking the Lord’s Supper (Acts 2:42, 20:7, 1Corinthians 11), praying prayers of supplications and intercessions and praise (Acts 2:42; 1Timothy 2:1-7), and singing praises to God (1Corinthians 14:15; Hebrews 2:12; Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16). We need to keep in mind that this discussion is in regards to musical worship in the assembling of the saints who gather together for their collective worship. Second, in no way am I condemning instrumental music. I love it. It is very entertaining to me. However, there is just no God-approved place for it in our worship assemblies. Third, it has always been important to God how we approach Him in worship. One of the first problems God has with man is in Genesis 4 and how Cain refused to approach God properly and offer a better sacrifice like His brother Able did (Hebrews 11:4). That problem persisted through the entirety of the Old Testament (Leviticus 10:1-7; 2Chronicles 26:1-23; Ezekiel 8, 13). God has never been pleased with improper worship to Him. He will not stand for it now. Therefore, it is of the utmost importance to worship God in the manner which He prescribes.

3) We need to strive for unity. It is important to know what God says and to obey what He commands us to do. All of us should strive for unity, not in diversity, but in the Holy Spirit. In Ephesians 4:1-6, Paul says, “I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Later, in vss11-16, Paul says, “And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.” In Romans 12:16, Paul tells the Christians in Rome to be of the same mind. In Philippians 2:1-5, Paul tells us to have the same mind that was in Christ (humble obedience to God). In Philippians 3:16, Paul implores the Christians there to be of the same mind and walk by the same rule. In 1Peter 4:1, Peter tells Christians to arm themselves with the same mind. In 1Corinthians 1:10-17, Paul told the Corinthians that there should be no divisions among them because Christ and His gospel is not divided. Does this mean we have to agree on every little thing? I think passages like Romans 14 show us that there are some issues that are matters of opinion in which they are not binding. However, what God has specified and commanded, we must be unified in His mind and unified in that commandment. Singing praises to God definitely falls into this category or prescribed commandments.

4) We need to stand for the truth. In 1Corinthians 16:13, Paul tells the Corinthians to stand fast in the faith. Another way of saying this would be to “fight for the faith.” In 1Timothy 6:12, Paul tells Timothy to fight the good fight of faith. Galatians 5:1, Paul tells the Galatians to stand in the liberty by which Christ made us free. In Ephesians 6:11-13, Paul tells the Ephesians to stand against the wiles of the Devil by putting on the whole armor of God. This standing for the truth by fighting the good fight of faith in liberty is against the wiles of the Devil and his lies. Jude warns against false teachers and tells Christians everywhere to “contend earnestly for the faith” (Jude 3). In 2Peter 2, Peter tells Christians to avoid false teachers and their false doctrines which are contrary to the word of God. In 2John 7-11, John warns the “elect lady,” a Christian, to be on the look out for “antichrist deceivers.” In 2Timothy 4:1-5, Paul warns Timothy that there will come a time when people will not listen to sound doctrine, but heap up false teachers because of their itching ears. Because of that, Paul tells Timothy to preach the WORD in season and out of season to fulfill his ministry as an evangelist of the Gospel of Christ. It is a Christian’s duty to stand for the truth of the whole Gospel at all times, whether the current issue is a new one or not (which it never is, cf. Ecclesiastes). We need to stand for the truth of what God commands for musical worship to Him. That means we need to boldly proclaim that the only prescribed musical worship is singing and not using any musical instruments.

5) My final reason is a bit of a personal reason. Over the last year, I have noticed an unsettling trend or theological idea. I don’t know if it has always been there and I just hadn’t noticed it before or if it is a “new” way to look at the Bible. The idea (as I understand it) is that only the five books that constitute the Law of Moses, the Pentateuch, were done away with when Jesus established His New Law. This is, of course, a false doctrine because of what Jesus Himself said in Luke 24:44 in which He said that He had fulfilled the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms (or Writings). When Jesus died on the cross, He nailed it all to the cross. When He established His New Law, His New Covenant, His New Testament, all other things were finished and completed and fulfilled. All that remained was the New Law of Christ. I bring this false doctrine up because people will try to use it to find authorization and justification for practices in which they wish to engage, like using instrumental music in the worship assembly.

It is important for us to look at the Instrumental Music Debate (IMD) so when this false doctrine becomes more and more prevalent, we will be ready to stand for the truth and strive for unity in the Spirit which is God’s word. Let us all strive to worship God in an acceptable manner according to His New Law.

I love you all.
I love you.
~Curtis
aaronwWell, I have a few problems with this.

First of all, instrumental music is not discussed in the New Testament. When you think about it, singing isn’t really discussed either. It’s mentioned, but not discussed. I see much deeper topics discussed, such as edification, longsuffering, peace, humility, etc. I think this is a very dangerous road to head down, when we start changing or elaborating on what the scripture is actually saying. The Pharisees went down this road, and they started defining the intent of scripture so that it would apply to the situations that scripture just didn’t address. They made up a slew of rules about the Sabbath, even though the scripture didn’t go into such detail. Basically, they formed an oral law based on scripture, an oral law that would later come into question by Jesus himself, even though the Pharisees likely intended to protect the authority of scripture. Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not labeling anyone a Pharisee, but my point is that there is actual proof of the dangers that come when we decide what specifics of worship to God are intended by scripture, even though they are not actually addressed by scripture. 
aaronwThough I have been involved in a few instrumental music discussions, I honestly don’t think it creates unity. Notice in the passage from Ephesians 4 that you quoted, that unity is brought about by peace, lowliness, longsuffering, love; all of those things that the New Testament actually does address. I am ashamed to say that in my personal experience with IM discussions, there has been a lack of peace, a lack of lowliness, a lack of longsuffering, and a lack of love. I’m not sure if you knew about or participated in the recent IM discussion on Josh’s blog, but it sort of proves my point. Josh made some legitimate points and dealt with the discussion politely, yet I saw others that disagreed too busy labeling him a false teacher to actually respond to the points that he made. Some said he was false, but didn’t explain why. Some said he and others twisted scripture, but didn’t say which scripture was twisted. I was accused of only wanting to do what felt good to me by someone who didn’t even know me. That discussion was over 300 comments long, but not much was clearly conveyed to rebut his article, in my opinion. The thing is, those that were so strongly convicted did not want to discuss or address what I thought were legitimate questions. I really don’t think any of that brought about unity. Sound doctrine would be able to peacefully address any opposing ideas or questions, but that didn’t and hasn’t happened in my personal experience with IM discussions.

I disagree that being of the same mind means that we agree on every detail that we deduce from scripture, and that unity comes from such conformity. Really, discussions of these kinds of issues produce more divisions and splits than the “come-togetherness” that discussions among Christians should produce. To me, unity is each Christian becoming nothing for those around him, and for the victory of Christ. And I think we all (including myself) have failed to understand and do that, because we’re busy making too many issues and building fences for each of them. 
karaleiI think your points are great. The unity issue is important but I would advise against using Romans 14 as an argument in this day and age. I’m sure if more people studied Romans 14 when instrumental music was being introduced it could have saved a lot of debate because the brethren would not have wanted to offend each other by forcing instruments on those who did not want them and believed that adding to the scripture by having them was false. The only reason I don’t think we can use this as an argument now is because some brethren who use instruments may say that they do not find anything in the New Testament scriptures that says they can’t use them so we can’t tell them they can’t based on Romans 14 and it shouldn’t offend us because they can just go worship at a separate place that uses them. I don’t agree with that thought process; I’ve just heard that before. And I’m not saying everyone who believes that instruments are okay thinks that way, either. I think the authority issue is what it all comes down to. I believe that if we genuinely have the attitude of “Thy will be done” then we won’t try to justify additions to the Word for any reason. We see what God tells us we can do and do it. We see what the apostles did and do it. We don’t go looking for what He doesn’t say we can’t do and do it. It’s not about us. It’s about serving God. Why take the risk of displeasing Him? It’s a terrible risk that you can’t undo. 
ninja_penguinWhile Instrumental music is not discussed in the NT, singing is discussed. In Ephesians 5:19, it is discussed as the will of God (vs17) in that it is used to teach and admonish one another in being imitators of God and in regards to why and how to walk in the light/truth. In that regard, singing as a form of teaching is discussed all throughout the New Testament. It is also discussed as a form of praise to the Lord. Praising the Lord is, again, something that is discussed all throughout the NT as imperitive to our lives as Christians. Singing is also described as giving thanks to God. The idea of piety in the presence of God is one more thing that is discussed throughout the entire NT. Finally, singing is discussed all throughout the NT in the form of submitting to one another, humility. Submitting to one another is shown in Philippians 2:1-5 as not thinking more highly of yourself than you should and being humbly obedient to God. This is also the idea of bearing one each others burdens which Galatians 6:1-10 tells us is how we fulfill the Law of Christ.

You see, singing is discussed in what it entails. Singing is all of those things put together. This is why I say it is discussed all throughout the NT. 
ninja_penguinAlso, a point that I am going to make in a future discussion (an that I have made several times before) is that man cannot have unity with others by himself. In worldly things, we are going to argue about what is best because our knowledge and wisdom and scope is limited. However, God is not limited by anything. He is infinitely knowledgeable, infinitely wise, infinitely focused and is, therefore, the only one capable of knowing what is best for us. If we strive to have unity with Him (1John 1:7; Galatians 1:6-10), then we will be acceptable to God. Unity with each other doesn't matter when it comes to our own wisdom (eg, it doesn't matter what football team you think is best). However, unity with God is of the utmost importance because that is what is going to determine our place in eternity. We all need to strive for unity with God. So, if I put my mind and life in agreement with God and you do the same, then we have no alternative than to have unity with each other. 
ninja_penguinThe reason why I believe this is a matter of unity is because it is discussed in the NT. Another reason (which I will discuss in a later post) is that the proponents of IM are the ones causing the dis-unity since they are the ones who left the practice of only singing. Even though history itself is not authoritative, it does show us what the practices were and what the thought processes behind those practices were. It was 600 years after the NT was given that people began to use IM in their "worship" to God. History very plainly shows that IM was considered unacceptable to God. The Church Fathers condemned it thoroughly. Even during the Protestant Reformation, people like John Weslyn and John Calvin condemned it. History shows that the use of IM in NT worship to God was a departure from the original practice of the NT Church. 
mini_lizzieit was from the news paper. :) 
littlediemanThanks. It's good to know other people are praying for his safety, too. 
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The New Testament, The New Covenant, and The New Law Are One 11-14-08 05:55pm EST
The New Testament is the testimony of the witnesses (the apostles and others) who witnessed Jesus' life, death, resurrection, and ascention. It is, also, the testimony that Jesus did what He said He was going to do by giving the apostles and Bible writers the Holy Spirit to guide them in all truth (what Jesus said while He was here and what He withheld for a more proper time). The New Testament records for us the New Covenant between God and man that Jeremiah spoke of in Jeremiah 31. It is the Law that was written on our hearts by the Holy Spirit. While the New Testament, New Covenant, and New Law all have different aspects to them, they are essentially the same thing because they cover the same material with the same purpose in mind. Also, and maybe most importantly, all three come from God and therefore bear His authority which necessitates and demands obedience to each.

I've just been thinking about this lately and I wanted to share. Tell me what you think.

Have a great weekend.
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PS- It's CHILI TIME!!!!
tu_madremmm...chili... 
lboogie1403what do you mean by "what He withheld for a more proper time"? 
godswarrior32803We are studying Hebrews in our Sunday morning Bible study. Go back and read Hebrews 10. Great stuff there on that relationship. 
ninja_penguinBoogs, I just mean that Jesus didn't say everything He needed us to hear while He was physically on the Earth. That is the reason why He had the Father send the Holy Spirit to the apostles, to guide them in ALL truth. I don't mean we still have revelation today because I believe the Bible shows that the entire revelation of God was given before the end of the 1st Century AD. That is all I meant. :) 
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POP QUIZ 11-12-08 06:18pm EST
I am giving my students a pop quiz tonight. Let's see how well you all do on the Multiple Choice section. :)


Multiple Choice
1. The Bible is… a) the word of God, b) just a good book, c) $29.95 at Barnes&Noble.
2. The Bible was written by… a) God as He inspired holy men, b) a bunch of different people with different ideas, c) a dietitian with an addiction to spray butter and "whippits".
3. The Bible is divided into two sections. They are… a) the Old and New Testaments, b) the First and Second Halves, c) “War & Peace” and “The Brothers Karamazov.”
4. The first five books of the OT are called… a) the Law, b) the Prophets, c) Boring
5. The first four books of the NT are called… a) the Gospels, b) the Epistles, c) Gus
6. The Temple was in… a) Jerusalem, b) Bethlehem, c) Timbuktu.
7. The feast the Jews celebrated every year was… a) Passover, b) Lord’s Supper, c) Thanksgiving.
8. Jesus came to the Temple when He was… a) eight days old, b) twelve years old, c) on His off days.
9. The one baptizing people in the wilderness was… a) John the Baptizer, b) John Mark, c) Dave the Dunker.
10. The angel that spoke to Zacharias and Mary was… a) Gabriel, b) Michael, c) Tex Colorado, the Arizona Assassin


Well, how did you all do? I am anxious to see who gets to clean the erasers after class. :)

I love you all.
I love you.
~Curtis
neeneeI would answer #9 with C just because it made me laugh out loud. :) 
godswarrior32803would c on number 1 be wrong if I brought a reciept? 
jlmanagerI'm guessing the answer to number 10 is not "c"... 
vhphilI wish I was in your class... 
tu_madrei got a free bible from people passing them out on corners on campus one time so forget b&n... 
kevinAnother answer to #1 is d) Free from the nightstand drawer in a hotel room :) 
kevinDid you know the Bible, at one time, was the most stolen item in the world. 
littlediemanhow old are your students? 
ninja_penguin2nd and 3rd graders 
ambiguous_usernameDave the Dunker XD 
ambiguous_usernameAnd yeah, Kevin makes a good point. The Bible is also left around by the Gideon Bible Ninjas. So stealthy.... 
vampyric_ky_girlMan, look at you crackin' down asking the tough questions! You're gonna get a reputation for being the hardest teacher at church if you don't watch it! I hope at least one of them gets an A without cheating... 
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Let The Little Dogs Eat Now! 11-11-08 06:03pm EST
Mark 7:24-30 reads: “From there, He arose and went to the region of Tyre and Sidon. And He entered a house and wanted no one to know it, but He could not be hidden. For a woman whose young daughter had an unclean spirit heard about Him and she came and fell at His feet. The woman was a Greek, a Syro-Phoenician by birth, and she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter. But Jesus said to her, “Let the children be filled first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.” And she answered and said to Him, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs under the table eat from the children’s crumbs.” Then He said to her, “For this saying, go your way; the demon has gone out from your daughter.” And when she had come to her house, she found the demon gone out and her daughter lying on the bed.”

The text tells us when Jesus went to the region of Phoenicia, to the north of Judea, He encounters a woman with a demon-possessed daughter. She begs Jesus to heal her daughter. Oddly enough, Jesus refuses at first saying, “Let the children be filled first.” The woman responds by saying, “Even the little dogs eat the children’s crumbs.” Then, Jesus heals her daughter because of her faith. What is Jesus talking about when He talks about the “children” and the “little dogs?” The “children” mentioned here are the children of Israel, the Jews, while the Gentiles are the “little dogs” (an affectionate term for a house pet). When the woman asked Jesus to heal her daughter and Jesus said “Let the children be filled first,” He was saying two things. One, He came to convince the Jews that He was the Messiah they had been looking for and that the Kingdom of Heaven was at hand. He tried to prove this by the miracles and teachings He did. Two, there would come a time when the “little dogs,” the Gentiles, would have the same opportunity as the Jews to call Jesus the Savior and enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

We see, in Acts 10, with the conversion of Cornelius and his household, that the time Jesus spoke of had come to pass. In Acts 15:13-19, James explains to the council in Jerusalem that “Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written: ‘After this I will return And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins, And I will set it up; So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD, Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, Says the LORD who does all these things.’ Known to God from eternity are all His works. Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God.”

Now is the time that the “little dogs,” those without a Jewish ancestry, people like most of us today, to come to Jesus. We can now call Him our Savior and enter into the Kingdom of Heaven through baptism into His blood like those on the day of Pentecost did so many years ago. Why not, oh “little dogs,” eat of the feast the Lord has prepared for you?

I love you all.
I love you.
~Curtis
ninja_penguinFor more discussion on the subject, go to Kevin's blog. 
kevinWouldn't you still be a little offended if I talked to you the same way I talk to my puppy? House pets may be a "part of the family" but they are obviously on a lower rung. 
ninja_penguinI think that is a little bit of what Jesus was saying to get His point across. In no way do I think it was demeaning or insulting and I doubt that woman would have taken it that way. 
kevinI guess I understand, but it just seems a little out of character for Jesus when you look at his other examples of healing. I love those "eye opening" moments though when you read something and it's like you've never read/understood it before. 
ninja_penguinIt took me a little while to understand the "little dog" thing, as well. However, the more I read and understand Greek and the culture, the more it makes sense. 
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